What happened to you is part of your story. It does not have to be the end of it.

After sexual assault and domestic abuse, DeDe Hardeman lost her confidence, her spark, and, at times, her desire to keep living. She shares that she attempted to take her life twice. Today, this actress and bestselling author—with credits including The Reading, Tyler Perry’s Sistas, and Ruthless—is building a life filled with creativity, connection, and possibility.

In this episode of The Shari Leigh Roberts Podcast, DeDe opens up about releasing shame that was never hers to carry, seeking support through therapy, and moving to Los Angeles to pursue acting. She shares how learning to trust her intuition helped her set boundaries—and how water became a place to find calm, freedom, and joy.

From waterfalls to freediving to discovering the world of mermaids, DeDe’s path is a reminder that life after abuse can hold experiences you haven’t even imagined yet. Healing is personal, and you do not have to navigate it alone.

If you’ve ever wondered whether you could feel like yourself again, this conversation offers companionship, hope, and a reminder: you are not what you went through. There is more life ahead of you.

Content note: This episode includes discussion of sexual assault, domestic abuse, and suicide attempts.

Chapters:

00:00 Meet DeDe Hardeman: More Than What Happened to Her

05:11 Surviving Abuse and Releasing Self-Blame

21:28 Therapy, Acting, and Starting Over in Los Angeles

29:37 Finding Calm in Water and Discovering Freediving

43:50 Becoming a Mermaid and Building Water Confidence

53:28 You Are Not What You Went Through

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Welcome, survivors, seekers, and thrivers.

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I'm your host, Shari Leigh Roberts, psychic

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medium,

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energy healer, and living proof that you

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can transform your pain into power.

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Each episode, we dive into trauma healing,

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developing your intuitive gifts,

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and reclaiming your life.

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Get ready for real stories,

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deep wisdom, and a little laughter along

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the way.

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Every

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once

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in a

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while,

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I

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come

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across

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someone

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who

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I

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connect

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with

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energetically

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even

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before

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meeting

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them.

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Today,

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my guest

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is

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De

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De

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Hardeman.

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She is

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an actress,

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best-selling

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author,

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but

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more

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importantly,

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a

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survivor

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and

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thriver

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of

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domestic

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abuse

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and

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sexual

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assault.

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Yet

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today

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we are going

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to

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see her

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at her

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best,

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and

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she

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has

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overcome

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all

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of

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that

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shit

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to

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live

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her

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purpose

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and

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beautiful

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life

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of

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terrible

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story

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telling

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of

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water

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and

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her

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alter

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persona

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of the

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mermaid.

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Thank you

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so

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much

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for

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being

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here.

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Well, thank you so much for having me.

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I'm so excited.

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I love being here.

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Thank you.

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Well,

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and

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for

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everyone

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tuning in,

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I

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want

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them to

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know

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that

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DeDe

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was

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has

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been realized a

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couple

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days

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ago.

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Yeah,

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today

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she is like,

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no,

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I'm coming on.

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I'm doing

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this. And

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wow,

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that

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is

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the

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warrior

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spirit

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that connects

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with

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millions.

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Thank you,

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girl.

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Can you

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in

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a couple

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of sentences

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or

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briefly

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tell our audience

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where you

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were

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mentally

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physically

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when

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you

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began

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your

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healing

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journey.

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When I first began, I was

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super young.

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I was like 21, 22.

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I had been in my

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DV relationship

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and sexually assaulted in college.

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So

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physically and mentally,

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I didn't

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know where to start.

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I had kind of grew up

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differently than what I was experiencing in

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college.

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I wasn't able to run track anymore.

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So that was,

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you know, big for me to release

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everything.

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So I was just in

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a, I was in a space where I was confused.

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I was disappointed.

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I was embarrassed.

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And

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I just didn't want to feel like that

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anymore.

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Yeah,

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it

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was something

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that

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that

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times

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always

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feel

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responsible,

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and

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embarrassed.

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Yet

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we

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had

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no

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choice. It

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happened

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to

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us.

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How

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did

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you

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step

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out of

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guilt

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into

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your

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power?

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Well, just like you said, I don't know why

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we feel responsible.

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We feel embarrassed.

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You don't want to talk about it.

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I actually did not go through

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with my court case

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because I was so embarrassed.

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But once

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I

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started to discover that

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I

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became panicky,

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I was having anxiety attacks,

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things that I had never experienced

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when I was younger,

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I knew that that was just

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my ancestors and my spirit team trying to

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get me to understand

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whatever happened to me

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was not my fault.

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There was nothing that I could have said,

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done different.

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then

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that was just the nature

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of

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the men that did it to me. So once

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I

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started going to therapy, once I started to

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discover myself,

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I was like, well,

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that shit is, excuse my French, but that

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shit's crazy that

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I

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am blaming myself.

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So I had to really do

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a lot of shadow work,

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reconnect spiritually.

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And in

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essence, that's why I found the water. But

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yeah, once you kind of sit down and, 'cause

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you hear people say it all the time, it's

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not your fault, it's not your fault, it's

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not your fault, or people close to you,

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there are other people that, well, you

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shouldn't have did this, you shouldn't have

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worn that, you shouldn't have been there.

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Yeah,

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I got all of that.

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So

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the second guessing,

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and I started to second guess myself, well,

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maybe if I would've just stayed home, or

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maybe if I would've wore,

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it wouldn't have mattered.

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It wouldn't have mattered.

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Once he got it in his head that that's what

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he wanted to do, that's what he did.

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And once my ex

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got in his head, he wanted to fight me,

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that's just what he did.

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There was nothing I can say, do,

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he just wanted to fight.

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Once I started to

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remember who I was

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and understand that

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like there's that really had nothing to do

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with me.

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I started to evolve.

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I really want to work on anxiety because

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anxiety is not fun.

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You know, panic attacks aren't fun.

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Yeah.

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And I never had, I

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ran on the biggest stages.

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I

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perform, you know, but anxiety was never,

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you know, I was

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I was I was confident, you know, I was

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always confident.

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So to lose my confidence, to lose kind of

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my spark,

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to lose like my laughter,

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to start looking like I was tired

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all the time, crying all the time.

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I didn't want to

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feel like that.

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So

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yeah, that's when it, when I

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first

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tried to commit suicide, that was a turning point

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for me.

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How

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were you

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and

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was

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that during

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your

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college

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years?

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So the first time, you know that happened

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twice, I want to say,

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the first time I was in college,

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I was

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19,

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19, 20 is when I first started dating him.

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I was

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overwhelmed,

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nobody knew what was going on, so

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Nobody can kind of fix it.

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So my track coach was like,

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You're not running well.

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You know, my professors were like,

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You're failing.

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And I never fail.

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I never run

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slow, you know, so, but they didn't know

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what was going on.

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So once I lost everything...

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Yeah.

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Ask.

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What happened?

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Tell me.

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Share.

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Let

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me

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help

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you.

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You

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were

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not

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who

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I

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know.

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What

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happened?

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Did

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anyone

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do

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they

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forward you?

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I give

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some of my friends a lot a lot of credit.

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They can tell something was wrong.

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But my ex did a good job at isolating me.

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So

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I isolated myself.

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I wasn't talking to everybody.

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I wasn't going to parties anymore.

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I wasn't hanging out anymore.

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So it was hard for them to kind of

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pinpoint like maybe she just, you know,

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it's just a lot, you know, maybe it's just a lot.

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And

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he did a good, you know, he was also very

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popular too.

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He played on football teams. So

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it was very hard to believe that he was

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doing anything.

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You know,

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I'm kind of the wild child.

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And so, yeah, DeDe's just going through

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whatever.

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Friends did notice.

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later on, because he and I did have fights,

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we had a huge fight on my 19th birthday.

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So that's when my friends were like, alert,

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like, okay, wait, hold on.

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That's, you know, but I wasn't telling

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anybody that he hit me or,

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you know, and when I was sexually

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assaulted,

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their minds went straight to the

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perpetrator.

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They didn't even know that me and my ex had

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got in a big fight, that these guys broke

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his jaw. It

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was a whole thing.

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I did not tell anyone

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until I wrote my book

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in

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2015.

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So that was

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three years after I left school.

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Do

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you

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mind

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getting

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more

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detail

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to

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the

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assault?

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and your

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boyfriend

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at

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the

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time.

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So

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many

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college

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girls

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are

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victims

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of the

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same

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things.

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and

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had never dealt

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with it.

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They

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came

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from

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loving

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homes

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or homes

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where

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this

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behavior

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happened.

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Police

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echoes

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bound

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on

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I was

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in a relationship at the time with my

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abuser

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ex

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and

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we had gotten into

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an argument.

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There was a girl that I worked with

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at the gym

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and she could tell something was always

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going on.

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So she invited me to

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a friend's

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graduation party that

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was at a school

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about

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two and a half hours away.

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I went to SMU

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and her friend went to another school

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and so I didn't want to go at first and

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should have listened to my instincts.

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Um did not want to go but I was like

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my ex has been calling me and

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yada yada yada.

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I'm going to go.

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So, I went with her and her boyfriend.

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We went to

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a house

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with her friends. It

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was about six people there

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and so I felt

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safe enough 'cause we were just at the house.

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It was mostly girls.

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It was a couple of guys, but

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we were drinking.

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I remember asking her,

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can

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I lie down? And she says, no, we're going to

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a frat party.

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We're going to the actual party.

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I said, no, I'm a little drunk.

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Her friend was like, well, she can stay here.

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And they were like, no, DeDe's fine.

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She's fine.

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She's all right.

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So they get me in the car, we go to the party.

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One of the guy hands me a drink.

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I don't want to drink it.

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Somehow I ended up drinking it because I

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was already drunk.

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My friend had brought me there.

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I

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ended

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up

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going to

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vomit in the

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bathroom.

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Her and the girls were in there with me.

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I was told I climbed in the tub.

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I can't remember if they, I climbed in a

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tub or they put me in the tub,

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but I was drunk.

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So they were just like,

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she'll be fine in here.

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I remember blacking out.

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I remember feeling like it wasn't just

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alcohol.

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Like I've been drunk,

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but

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this is like, because I

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was an athlete.

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So I didn't get drunk as much.

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Like I

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would never get that drunk.

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I'm a control freak.

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I do not like

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being out of control of my body.

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So it

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felt like it was something more.

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I remember waking up to the guy that gave

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me the drink

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and he was making, he was white, I was black.

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He kept making kind of racial comments to

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me all night, but they were like

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hidden under that he thought I was pretty

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for a black girl.

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I was the only black girl there

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and all of the things.

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So he had kind of an infatuation

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with me.

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I remember waking up to him on top of me.

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I tried to fight them off again.

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My limbs were like.

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Like, yeah, I'm not just drunk.

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I could hear

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my friend like beating on the door,

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like open the door.

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His friend was in there,

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so they're trying to like put my clothes on

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and I'm still fighting them off saying no.

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My friend's boyfriend kicks down the door.

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He kicks open the door.

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What are y'all doing? So my pants runs up,

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my bra's on the other side.

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So friend starts crying.

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Everybody runs in

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and

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her boyfriend picks me up.

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They start chasing me out of the party like

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he didn't rape you.

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Blah, blah, blah.

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You're going to ruin him and that.

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And so everybody's arguing.

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We get back to

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the house that we were supposed to be at

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and

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The girls come in and they say

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he's

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done this before.

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Like they're talking among themselves like

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he's done this before.

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And I'm like, oh my God, they're just

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letting him run wild.

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She comes to me and she says, Do you want

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us to take you to the hospital?

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I say, Yes.

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I black out the hospital.

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They give me the rape kit and everything.

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I wake up,

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the

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lady is there and

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she tells me what happened.

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I kind of freak out.

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The detective comes in.

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And

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the girl that I rode with was there and

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they just kind of explain

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what happened, what was supposed to happen next.

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My mind was still like, I don't

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understand.

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So when I got back to school,

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my ex had been looking for me

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and

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he came over.

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I had a hospital band on

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and

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we're fighting, we're yelling.

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He starts making fun of me.

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That's why you got raped by a white guy.

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You're so stupid.

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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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So I said, you know, I'm not listening to

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this because we're outside in the parking lot.

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So I'm not listening to this.

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He tries to snatch my phone.

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Now we're fighting over my phone because

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I'm going to call your mom and tell her you

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were raped and you need to be put in a cage

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like a dog. So

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I'm like, don't do that because I haven't

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told her.

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I haven't told anybody.

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He snatches my phone.

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I say, you know, you can

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have it. I don't

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care.

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I'm not fighting with you tonight.

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Throws the phone at my head,

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we begin to fight.

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He has me down, he calls my mom, he tells

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her she's four hours away.

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So he calls my mom, my mom's freaking out,

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now she's on the way or

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she wakes up my dad, you know, now they're

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on the way,

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they don't know what's going on.

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And so he and I, I try to go back in the

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house, we continue to fight,

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he has his

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knee like on my neck.

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So

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one of my neighbors comes out and she's

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yelling at him like, Why are you hitting her?

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And he gets up, he's yelling at her like,

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This is my girl, this is my business. And her

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brothers, or

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I don't know, they came out,

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they had a big fight, they broke his jaw.

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It

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was a whole thing.

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I guess.

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Yeah, it was so

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crazy. And so

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when his father had to fly him,

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My family drove in. It

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was so chaotic.

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I didn't tell anybody we had a fight.

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I told them that we got robbed

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because his jaw was

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like hanging.

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I still was protecting him

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while I had just been sexually assaulted,

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while he just hit me, and I'm still trying

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to protect

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everybody.

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that's how that kind

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of ended.

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didn't

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end

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there

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was

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they are

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the

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beginning

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of the y

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he

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went

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yeah

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yeah

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I think that was

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when he was in the hospital he was still

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angry with me

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um

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He was mad at me,

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and everybody was

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focused on the

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sexual assault, so then I tried to commit

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suicide.

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I got therapy.

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I was sitting home, 'cause everybody just

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thought it was the assault.

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Nobody knew that he and I were fighting.

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I went home for a semester.

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They made me go home for a semester.

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I got back into acting, that's what I was

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always good at, and then

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I was on Django Unchained and that's when I

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chose between going back to school,

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trying to go back to track and that life, or

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do what Samuel Jackson says and move to LA.

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Cause he did, he told me to move to LA.

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I moved to LA

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was pretty much the start of like, I'm

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starting over.

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unreal

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is

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that

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LA

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which is

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known

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for

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horrible

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deviant

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behavior.

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became your

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safe

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place?

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Talk

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about

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that

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you

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got there.

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You're in your

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heard

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Lee

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told one

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tears.

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Did you

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know

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anyone

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there?

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No,

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I moved there with a friend

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and

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he wasn't into acting and anything, but

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Yeah, just moved

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because I had always

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been a writer.

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I always been, now I didn't know I could

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write TV and movies, but

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I always did creative writing.

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That was actually one of my minors in

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English.

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And I've been an actor since I was four.

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They actually wanted me to move to New York

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when I was 11.

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I was in, you know, all the theater art

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schools, but I just chose sports.

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I knew sports, I didn't have, I didn't,

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I didn't watch movies thinking that could be me.

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I didn't understand it.

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Growing up in Texas, it's like sports in

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school, sports in school, you know,

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football, football God and family is all Texas.

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So I didn't really, you know,

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know what it was. But

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after being on set and talking to Samuel

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Jackson, I

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moved to LA and I went to the New York Film

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Academy at Universal Studios.

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And that's why I transferred all my

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credits and things and

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I think

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that

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what happened to me saved me in LA

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because

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you're so aware that things like that

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happen in LA.

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You're like,

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yes, this is a playground.

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This is the devil's playground.

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And I think I was so aware

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that I would get myself

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out of there if I felt a way.

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And my friends will tell you, I am

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I never liked to ride with anybody.

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Like I'm gonna get all of us

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out of here if I

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feel any inkling

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of something bad is about to happen.

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We're leaving.

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We're out of here.

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I want all the women out of here. So

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yeah, I always

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kind of kept that and I

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found my tribe because of who I was

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and the talents that I had.

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So I made sure

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that my tribe

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You know, a lot of us were from Texas, so

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I, you know, I found my way

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at the beach, the weather,

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it's all great.

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And we were all learning

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how to be there, but I really do think that

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what happened to me actually saved me there.

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And I remember

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working on a production

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And I met this young lady and I kind of

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said I was abused kind of in

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a, it

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was a weird like, oh yeah, I was abused.

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I was sexually assaulted.

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She was like, wait, what?

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I was like, oh yeah, it happened.

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And that's why I moved kind of in a

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regular tone.

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And she was like, wait, that happened to me.

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And I was like, oh my gosh.

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Not realizing that people close to me, it

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happened to them,

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not even realizing.

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And she was like,

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The way you talk about it is kind of crazy,

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but like, you're an amazing, like your

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story is crazy.

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I would read that one day, like,

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you know, you should do a movie or

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something and like, you would help,

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you know, 'cause you're helping me, you're

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giving me advice and I didn't even know you

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went through it. And so

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she sparked me actually to

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write the film.

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I'd never written a film before, ever.

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I just was,

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you know, I just wrote it, I wrote it by

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hand actually,

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and

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I met,

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she is my writing partner now, wow, that's

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so long ago.

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But I met her, she was working at

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Cartoon Network,

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and she said, Okay, your script is too long,

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but your story is amazing.

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So I met all these people that love my story.

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And of course we weren't famous at the

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time, we didn't know how to pitch, we

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didn't know how to get money, we were just

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like, This is gonna happen.

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We were like, We're gonna make a movie.

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That's not how

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Hollywood works, just because you have an

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idea don't mean you're gonna make it.

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So this guy predicted it.

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He said, You're gonna write a book, you're

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gonna do a documentary and then you're

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gonna do the movie.

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And I was like, I'm gonna do the movie, I

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don't wanna write no book.

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And then I wrote the book

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because

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they kept changing the script.

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We had to make it shorter.

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I had to cut things. I had to

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cut situations.

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I couldn't say anybody's name.

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And I said, Well,

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I kinda want everybody to know the story.

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I want them to know the story.

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So I wrote the book.

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And when I wrote the book,

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that is when my family found out, my

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friends found out, everybody found out what

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happened and everybody was like, Why didn't

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you say anything? What?

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And then people started reaching out

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saying, This happened to me

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and people that were close to me that I

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didn't even know and this happened to me in

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childhood and you inspired me.

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And that inspired me to start my charity.

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And then that was heavy

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on me because I'm still young, I'm still

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trying to figure it out myself,

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I'm doing this fashion show for survivors.

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And so I'm

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getting

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anxious,

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like, oh my God, how am I going to help all

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these people and the charity and I don't

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even know what I'm doing.

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And then COVID came and shut everything down.

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So it was like, okay,

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let's sit down for a second because I'm

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trying to save.

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It's crazy because I actually just saved a

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woman in Berlin.

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So I can tell that story actually just

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a month ago, not even a month ago, I'd

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saved a woman in Berlin and I tried to save

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a woman in San Antonio like three months ago.

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So my therapist thinks I'm a guardian angel.

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A guardian angel.

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That's what she

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said. She's

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like, you're a guardian angel.

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But

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that's when I got into water.

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Cause I said, well, I need to,

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I can't be anxious with people coming to me

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because they feel like they can come to me

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and

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hear what happened to them.

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And then they kind of expect me to

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help them and have advice.

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And I can't do that if

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I,

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am so anxious and I kind of didn't

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finish healing myself.

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I can't,

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yeah, I can't really help you

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and I don't even know what's going on with me

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yet.

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I wanna help, I have this charity, I have

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this event,

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but I don't want it to just be an event.

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People have come to me at the events that

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you really helped me and inspired me and I

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wanna keep that,

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but I don't

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wanna overwhelm myself.

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So then I found water and diving and

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mermaiding and that

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changed everything.

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How

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did you

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find

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water?

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It

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sounds

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like

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water had

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never

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been

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part

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of

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you.

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for me

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and

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I didn't

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know what went early on in

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my

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life

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but

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water

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always

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gave

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me

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calm

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And

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peace

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might

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have

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been

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momentary,

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but it

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always

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did and continues.

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was like

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that

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how

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it

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happened

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for

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you?

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Yeah,

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every time me and my ex would get in a fight,

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my friends would know to find me at a

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waterfall or a pool.

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Didn't know why, it was just always called,

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my best friend named, my two best friends named,

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you're both of them credit,

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but my bestie is like the one, she's like,

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she's probably by water.

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I always just wanted to be by water,

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it helped me think.

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And then I started to love waterfalls.

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When I was traveling, I just liked

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waterfalls.

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I just wanted to go to the waterfall.

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Everybody knew if we took a trip,

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we were going to find a waterfall.

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DeDe likes waterfalls.

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And then in LA,

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we had access to the beach.

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So I would always go to the beach.

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I would talk to my ancestors.

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I would do what I could

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ritual wise. And

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that

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water,

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it

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was crazy because

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during COVID, we found a secret

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beach.

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pathway.

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And

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I was like, oh, we've

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hit the spot.

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So I would go there to think.

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And it was like,

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it was a good little drive.

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You know, it's LA's traffic and it's like

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past Malibu, but it's like, it was like

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this spot and it was just so beautiful.

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I could see the sky.

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And then I started traveling more

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and me and my travel partner just like to

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do things.

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So we would try scuba diving everywhere.

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We would just try it.

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Like we was like, oh, let's just go.

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And then she got

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her scuba diver certification.

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I was like,

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I want my scuba

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certification.

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But before that,

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I found freediving.

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And I was like, oh my gosh, they're diving

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without

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a tank.

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And I can see like the freedom in them.

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And I found Tatiana.

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She's a freediver from Cape Verde

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and she taught herself how to swim and

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she overcame addiction.

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And I'd seen her page and I was like,

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I just love her.

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And I was trying to like, I was like, oh my

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God, we should write your book.

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And she was like, oh my gosh, I don't know

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if I'm ready to write a book.

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And we just started talking.

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I said, well, I think I wanna

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freedive.

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How is it? And she was like, man, it really

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like...

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Because you have to do yoga.

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You have to do breathing work before you

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get in the water.

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So scuba diving is a little bit like you got

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the

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machine,

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you can breathe underwater.

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You can put it on.

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As long

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as you're fine,

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you can get in the water.

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freediving.

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You cannot

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panic.

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There's so much breathing.

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And so

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You

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really have to regulate your nervous system

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to stay in the water,

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to not panic.

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It was like

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a whole class day on just breathing.

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And so I thought that was so beautiful

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because

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how is

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swimming underwater teaching me how to

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breathe?

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That's so ironic to me.

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And

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so I

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did that,

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got to scuba diving.

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Now scuba diving is like easy to me.

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And

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then I found mermaiding this year and I was

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just like,

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mind blown.

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Holy

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shit.

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Okay,

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so

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tell

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me

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how

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you

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did

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free

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dive.

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I

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am not

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a scuba

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I

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ever

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I

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have

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done

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snorkeling

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yeah

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held my

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breath

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going

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down

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come

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up and

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for my

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life.

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And then

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I was

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like,

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I'm okay.

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You're okay.

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And go down.

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for

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the

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diving

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is

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a whole nother

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ball

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game.

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Did

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that girl

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teach you

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or

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did

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you

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learn

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on

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your

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own?

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So I've always been able to

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kind of stay down for a long time

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underwater.

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And so,

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but you do train. It is

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way harder.

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Because the deeper you go,

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the more you panic.

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Yeah, you're like,

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oh my goodness, the pressure.

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So we went to Pranamaya

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freediving school.

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So it was a birthday treat.

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So me and my diving partner went to

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Playa del Carmen, Mexico.

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They have one of the best freediving

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schools.

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And that's where Tatiana,

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she knows them.

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So it kind of, and that's where she was.

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So it was kind of like, oh, I'm gonna meet her

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and I want to get there. So

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we just called the school and say, what is the

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process?

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And, you know, they have levels to it.

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So you learn in a classroom,

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you learn in the pool, and then you get in

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the cenotes.

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So

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it was like three,

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four hours of like class work.

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So scuba diving, you have a BCD, which is

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your breathing machine.

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And so you have a tank,

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you have your fins and you have a breathing

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machine.

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And as long as you keep breathing

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underwater scuba,

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as long as you don't kind

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of run out of air,

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there is

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a learning curve.

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You know, you have to equalize, you gotta

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equalize your ears, you gotta, you know,

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balance.

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So there's a lot of that learning in it.

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freediving is the same way, except you

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don't have the luxury of breathing

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underwater.

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You take one breath

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and you just dive.

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And so

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we learned in the pool, you have to get to

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two minutes.

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You have to be able to stay

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underneath the water

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on one breath for two minutes

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on pool day.

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That

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seems like for everyone you're doing it.

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Okay,

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will

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this

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go

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by

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you

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have

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weight

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on

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you?

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Do

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you

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have

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weight

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when your

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free

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dive?

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Yeah, usually we have like a weight belt.

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Let me see if

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I have mine.

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If you're very buoyant.

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And

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so this is, these are the weights.

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They're like a pound.

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It's

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funny, I just got a new one.

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So these are like the weights.

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So you put them on a weight belt

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and you tie it around and depending on how

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buoyant you are,

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depends on how many weights

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you do.

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So I'm super buoyant.

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I'm like

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125, 130 pounds. My

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body just likes to float.

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But some people are very muscular, like my

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boyfriend now, he's super muscular, so he sinks.

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So you have to balance.

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You have to learn how to balance and be

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buoyant

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because you can't,

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when you're diving with sharks, you don't

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want to just sink.

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You want to like

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balance, yeah, you want to balance and be

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able to come up

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You want to be able to come up when you

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need air

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faster,

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but you also want to be able to go down,

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you know.

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My coach can stay under for like five

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minutes.

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Wow.

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Yeah, like four or five minutes.

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How

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far

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down

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can you go

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when

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you can hold it

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there

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long?

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So I can go around

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to pass, you gotta go around 12 meters,

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which is about six

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feet. I think

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I

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get

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the metric system.

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But

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they, once you

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learn,

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because people have set records, it's a sport.

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They can go very, very,

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very deep.

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You can go

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20

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meters 30 like they can go they can touch

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the bottom of some oceans they can come back up

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um

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it's

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it's really how

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there is

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no

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balance

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I

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am in

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I

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understand

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with

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good

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but

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then

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you go

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down

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and

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then you have

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to come

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up

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slowly

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that's

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not

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true

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with

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free

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diving

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thing

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you can come up fast they they kind of

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They teach you how, because your ears, you

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still have pressure.

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So you don't want to come up too fast.

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You still have to equalize.

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But yes, you can come up

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more often and faster

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than in scuba because scuba, you're

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breathing in a certain type of

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air.

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So it's creating bubbles.

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So you can get the,

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they

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call the SIDS.

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I have to look back at it, but you could

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get like bubbles in your blood.

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That's why you can't fly.

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24 hours after you scuba dive,

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you get the bends.

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Yes, you get the bends.

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With

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freediving,

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you're holding in a breath that you take

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on

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the surface

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and then you're diving and that's the only

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breath.

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You use that breath to equalize

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and you use that breath to swim.

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So it's just, it's the breath that you take.

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And some people are

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really good at

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Not panicking because

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in class we learned that you have about

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five minutes of air in your body.

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So you can take a really good breath.

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You have about five minutes before your

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body shut down.

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Unless you think, you know, some people can

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do 10 minutes or I think the longest

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I think you can do, I have to look.

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But

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yeah, like when they do

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the competitions, they're going down deep

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and it's one breath.

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You do have people that black out.

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You can black out. Yeah.

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But they do teach you how to, you know,

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watching somebody black out, they'll carry you.

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You know, you

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never dive alone.

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Because that can happen.

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You can think that you can start getting

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delirious.

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So those things can happen.

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That's why

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they train us to kind of recognize that.

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So if you can't go super deep, don't try to

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go super deep.

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But it takes practice and training

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and

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But it's really, it's

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so beautiful

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when you're swimming in the ocean and you

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can be like

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one with the water and then you see

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animals, you may see like a whale shark or

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a turtle or a shark,

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and you're just swimming along with them

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and you don't have to go to the surface

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and you're just

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in there.

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You know, some people

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do core research.

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It's a lot of different ways, some people

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do ocean cleanup and they can just stay

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underwater.

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And some people like me, just nervous

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regulation and you want, you know, you want

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to teach people how to

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save the ocean and how to save themselves,

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you know, so I'm learning that and just,

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just be one with the water.

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We need the water.

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We need the ocean, you know, we need it.

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We

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need

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to

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live.

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Well,

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the

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mer

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maid

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part

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Oh man.

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I actually didn't know that was a thing

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until this year.

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So

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my friends know me

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as,

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they call me

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the Black Little Mermaid.

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You know, they think they just like, she is

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in the water.

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They know I'm diving.

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They don't wanna come with me.

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And I

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was doing all these underwater photo shoots

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and they were like, oh my, it's so

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beautiful.

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So actually

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a friend tagged me, her name is Mermaid

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Sirenity.

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She's one of the most

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famous mermaids in the world.

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They tagged me in a post and said, are you

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going to this? And it was a post about

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her mermaid camp or her hosting a mermaid camp

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in Italy.

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And it was like, come learn how to be a

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mermaid.

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This is an actual thing.

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And I was like,

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what is that?

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And so I started researching

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and it is

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Absolutely awesome.

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Like they have mermaid camps.

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They perform in

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aquariums.

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And I feel like I've seen, you know, I've

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seen a couple of mermaids, but I didn't

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know it was like a community.

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They have like festivals.

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They have classes for people.

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And that's one of the things I want to do,

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especially for the Black youth.

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kids how to swim. And

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I was like, well, if I gotta put on a

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mermaid tail,

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that'll

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get some people in there, right? So

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I just started researching.

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And so I said, well, I'm just gonna go to

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the camp.

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And my family's super supportive.

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Everybody was like, of course you find a

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mermaid camp

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in Italy.

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Go

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see if you like it.

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So I went to just see what it was,

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if I liked it.

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Mermaid Serenity has like 7 million

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followers.

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So I was like, if I wanna learn from

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anyone,

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it's her.

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And she is the

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sweetest,

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oh my goodness,

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so sweet.

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We're like besties, okay?

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She might be like,

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but

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she lives in Hawaii.

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And

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since I free dived, it's a little, you know,

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as long as you can stay under the water, but

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it's hard with a tail,

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but it's

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so

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fun.

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And she just told us about performing and

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how she brings joy.

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And I remember we were doing,

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we did a performance

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And the little girls that were there

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were just

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so excited.

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They were just like, oh my goodness, there

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are mermaids in the water and it was just

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beautiful.

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They wanted to take pictures.

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They wanted to

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ask questions and can I touch your tail? And

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it was just

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so beautiful.

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I did not know this existed.

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I

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was at a restaurant the other day, not

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kidding.

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A little girl had the same hair as me and

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so she turns around and she says, we have

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the same hair.

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And she says, Did you know I was a mermaid?

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And everyone at my table

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says,

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Did you know she's an actual mermaid? And I

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asked her parents, can I show a video?

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Now she wants to learn, she wants a tail.

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She was just so enamored.

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She would not stop talking to me.

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Her parents had to tell her, let her eat.

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I was like, I just got my legs

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so I can walk on land and she wants to be a

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mermaid.

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And so things like that.

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But it's also getting her to learn how to swim,

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and learning those types of skills,

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which is

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my main thing for me,

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because

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a lot of people are drowning or they don't

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know what to do with water situations or they

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go on cruises or they never get the

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experience,

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water sports or turtles or anything, or

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like they snorkel and they freak out,

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you know, they snorkel and they're just

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like, oh my gosh, if you would have just

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stayed like three minutes longer,

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you would have

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seen this turtle

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or, you know, it's just so euphoric and

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it helps with nervous

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system regulation.

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A lot of nervous system regulation teachers

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teach about

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being in the water and I'm into water

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fitness now where we work out underwater.

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It's just, it's just a beautiful community

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and I just did not know that existed.

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So shout out to my friend that tagged me.

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So now

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I'm taking mermaiding like very seriously

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because it's just, it's

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not only beautiful, but again, it helps with

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nervous system regulation and just helps

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people.

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It's just community and it helps people get

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in the water.

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And

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again, I have so many survivors that follow me.

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And they're always like, well, if DeDe

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can do it, I can do it.

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I wanna

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meet with her and meet up.

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And so

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that's something I'm implementing in my

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charity, which is Water Confidence,

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because the water can give you confidence, but it

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really teaches you how to breathe.

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And I know

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as victims, we just don't breathe.

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Everything is sometimes panic mode and

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we get tight. Like

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my therapist tells me all, loosen your

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shoulders, ma'am.

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Like please, like every, in my back,

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everything hurts,

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but in the water, you just learn to release

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it and you're just like, okay, let's just

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breathe.

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It helps with my anxiety 'cause I'm like,

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okay, just run in the water.

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It's five, four, three, two, one,

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do box breathing.

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And you do all that before you even get in

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the water.

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So I just think it's a great,

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Even if you never thought you could be a

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mermaid, it's just like, well, just come

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learn, just come meet the water.

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Just come learn how to breathe

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for a second.

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Just like, let's just relax for a second,

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not freak out, you know? Try something

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you've never done.

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Absolutely.

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And

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that

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guy

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in

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Berlin,

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who

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was

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a guest

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at

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your

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hotel

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where

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you

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had

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your

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mermaid

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fin on

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you

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were in the pool or

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outside

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he

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walks

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up

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Tell

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us...

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It

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was

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so

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hilarious.

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I had a hotel collaboration with

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The Yard,

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Berlin,

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with Little Big Hotels.

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I actually went to Berlin to

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watch

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basketball. So

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the games were over and

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one of the main things, of course, as a

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mermaid, I gotta go check out the pool.

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So I'm like carrying

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this mermaid tail and everybody was like,

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What is happening?

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So I get there and I'm setting up the

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camera and I'm trying to put the mermaid

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tail on and he's just like,

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because there's the pool and then there's a sauna

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in the back and there's a gym, so it's all

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kind of connected.

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It's such a beautiful, oh my goodness, such

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a beautiful indoor pool.

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So he walked out the sauna and he sees this

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girl with this long mermaid tail

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and he's about to walk out and he doesn't

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know if he should speak.

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So I go, hi, you know, I'm so afraid, hi.

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And he walks over, he's like, I am, I'm

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confused, but I'm excited about this.

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What's happening? And I said, well, I'm a

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mermaid.

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And he's like, so you're

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a mermaid.

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I said, yes.

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And he's like, I don't understand what that means.

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I was like,

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I have a tail, I'm a mermaid.

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So

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I'm showing him older videos.

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He's touching the tail.

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He's like, wait, I didn't even know this

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existed.

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So he was super

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excited.

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He was like, oh my gosh, wait till I tell

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my daughters.

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I came over here 'cause I thought you were

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a famous

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influencer

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'cause I saw your cameras and things, he's

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like, but

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I didn't

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know what that was, a towel.

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But I saw you putting it on.

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I'm like, it's a mermaid tail.

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He was like, can I see

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how it works?

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Do

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you actually swim? And I said, yeah. So I

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swam through and he was like, that

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is the coolest thing I've ever seen.

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And he was like, well, I wish you all the luck.

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I just

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want to tell you that that is awesome and to

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keep doing it.

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But he was so

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flabbergasted.

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He was just like,

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what's going on there? Why do you have a tail?

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Why do you have a tail? Like,

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are you a dragon? Is it Game of Thrones?

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Are you doing, you know,

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are you dressing

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up? And I was like, no, I actually swim in this.

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Yeah,

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he thought I was dressing up and taking a

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picture for Instagram and

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it was some kind of

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outfit.

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And I said, no, no, no, I'm

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taking pictures for the hotel.

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I'm actually about to swim in this thing.

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And he was like, can I just, he's like, I

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don't wanna be rude, can I just, I'm not a

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crazy stalker.

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You're telling me you're a mermaid.

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I just want to see it.

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And I was like, sure.

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And I swam across the pool.

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I was like, see? And he was like, wow,

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that's

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cool.

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He's like, wait until I tell my daughters

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that I met a

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mermaid, like

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on a business trip.

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I met a mermaid, guys.

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Love. Yeah.

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Okay.

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What?

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What?

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Will you

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give

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to

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people who

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hear

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your

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story?

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You are not

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what you went through.

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If you feel like you went through something

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where you're blaming yourself, just

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understand that.

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And

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I know it is a cliche,

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but

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you really can

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do what it is that you dream of doing.

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You do not have to let anything or anyone

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keep you down.

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Yes, we've

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been through some trauma, but know that

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there are people

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out there that want to help you.

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you know, and want to build a community,

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but

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really understand that

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you can really do whatever it is that you

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want to do.

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You have free will.

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You're not in that situation. If you

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are in that situation,

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we want to get you out of that situation. But

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any situation where you feel like

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your world is over is not.

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It is not over.

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It's just beginning as you heal

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and

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Yeah, we have free will.

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So make yourself happy

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because you cannot pour from

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an empty glass for anyone.

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If you aren't happy,

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then you can't make everybody else happy.

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You can't continue

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to

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thrive and elevate

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the way that

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you were meant to be.

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So

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not your fault.

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Trauma is not your fault.

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You can come out of that

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and be what it is that you want to be

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and love yourself

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before you love anybody else.

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Beautiful.

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So

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well

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said

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particularly

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from

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someone who tried

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to

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end

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their

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life

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what,

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two

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times?

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and

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look at

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you

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someone

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who has

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found

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their

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path

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water

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acting I mean

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that

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is

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a call out

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to

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everyone

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to

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follow

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what is

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calling

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them

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thank you

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what

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a pleasure

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Thank you for listening.

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If today's conversation resonated with you

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and you're ready to explore your own

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healing journey or intuitive gifts,

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I'd love to work with you.

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I offer psychic medium readings,

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energy healing sessions, and intuitive

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development guidance at shariroberts.org.

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And if you're not quite ready for a session

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but want to be a part of the conversation

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in a supportive community,

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join my private Facebook group.

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You can also connect with me on LinkedIn,

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This is Shari Leigh Roberts.

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Until next time, remember,

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you're never alone.